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Shaping the Future: Dr. Barry Issenberg on Healthcare Simulation Leadership and Global Impact
What ignites a lifelong passion for healthcare simulation at the tender age of 14? Dr. Barry Issenberg, the esteemed president of the Society for Simulation in Healthcare (SSH), shares his remarkable journey from a curious teenager to a pivotal leader in the field. In our engaging conversation, Dr. Issenberg unveils his strategic vision for SSH, emphasizing education, research, advocacy, and credentialing as key pillars. We promise listeners an inside look at the ASCEND program, a groundbreaking initiative set to mentor and connect the next generation of simulation leaders. This program isn't just about growth; it's about fostering innovation, with the first cohort eagerly anticipated at IMSH 2025.
Our episode also explores SSH's far-reaching impact on a global scale. We unpack the organization’s successful initiatives, from the SSH Fund to the global partnerships spearheaded by the Commission for International Simulation and Accreditation (CISA). These efforts are making waves, helping international centers overcome accreditation barriers and amplifying the influence of healthcare simulation worldwide. The conversation culminates with exciting prospects for the future, including advancements in accreditation, certification, and the transformative Healthcare Simulation 2050 forum. Join us for a visionary discussion that not only highlights the current landscape but also sets the stage for the future of health professions education.
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Deb Tauber:Welcome to another episode of The Sim Cafe and welcome, Jerrod Jeffries. Thank you for being here, and we are very excited to have Dr Barry Issenberg, who is the current president of SSH at this time. Dr Issenberg, why don't current president of SSH at this time? Dr Issenberg, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and your journey into healthcare simulation and how you became involved?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:With SSH Sure, I'd be delighted, and thank you again, Deb and Jerrod, for the opportunity to be part of this podcast. And so my journey into simulation I actually happened at a relatively young age, when I was 14. And this is going back to 1982. My father had become ill and my mother had to go back to work. She had previous experience in fundraising for non-for-profits and also worked in the TV and media, and the position that she found available was at the University of Miami, working with Dr Michael Gordon, who by that time had already established a human patient simulator called Harvey, and she joined his unit in 1982. Within a couple of days, she would come home and tell me all about it and said Barry, I think this would be a wonderful place. It combines both your interest in technology as well as by that time I think I knew I wanted to go into healthcare.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:And so, beginning at the age of 14, through middle school and high school, I would volunteer at Michael Gordon's Medical Training and Simulation Laboratory doing a range of activities, from programming early databases to recording heart sounds, which at that time were on four-track tapes, and I used my I guess you would call it talents as playing the piano of having an ear for knowing where to splice four-track tapes.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:That expanded when I was a medical student at the University of Miami, and so this was from the years 1990 to 1995. I was able to take a year off between my second and third year and spend a full year immersing myself at the medical training and simulation laboratory, where I really felt that that was going to be my calling. It combined my love for education and teaching, of developing new technologies, all for the purpose of applying to prepare people to take better care of patients, and so I continued to work in the laboratory during medical school and even during residency when I was in Birmingham, and then had the opportunity of joining full-time at the Medical Training and Simulation Laboratory in 1998, when I joined the faculty.
Deb Tauber:Wow, that's quite a story, very, very interesting, and you've really been in simulation for quite some time. Yeah, now, as the current president of SSH, what are your key priorities and what changes do you hope to bring during your tenure developed a five-year strategic plan to really guide the Society for Simulation in Healthcare as it reached its 20th anniversary moving it forward over the next five years, now, as the current president of SSH, what are your key priorities
Dr. Barry Issenberg:and what changes do you hope to bring during your tenure developed a five-year strategic plan to really guide the Society for Simulation in Healthcare as it reached its 20th anniversary of moving it forward over the next five years.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:I was fortunate to be part of that development process during my incoming president-elect year, and we had both the presidents and the board directors and the senior executive leadership for the society developed five main strategic pillars that would guide all of the initiatives and the projects that the society are engaging, and those include, in the broad areas of education and training, research and scholarship, advocacy, credentialing, which includes both accreditation and certification of individuals, and then, overall, really the foundation to support all of those activities are organizational sustainment and growth, and one of the exciting new initiatives related to that pillar of organizational sustainment and growth is a new program that was just announced last week called the ASCEND program, and this is really for the goal of identifying and nurturing the next generation of simulation leaders who can advance their careers and, importantly, have all of the tools in place to support the continued expansion and growth of healthcare simulation.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:And so the ASCEND stands for Advancing Simulation Careers and Empowering Next Generation Development. There's an application process that's underway and the goal is to identify young leaders, to team them with mentors and, during that year, mentors, and during that year they'll have a full range of mentorship, networking opportunities and also to gain valuable insights into the Society for Simulation and Healthcare Operations so that they have an early opportunity to help shape the future of healthcare simulation. The program is open to all healthcare simulationists from the global community. The program is open to all healthcare simulationists from the global community, including students and residents, fellows, junior faculty members, operations specialists, educators, innovators and also industry professionals, because we feel the diversity of all of these talents and experiences will only enrich the society moving forward. That's one of the exciting initiatives that I'm proud that the board of directors approved and we have a strong team leading that program this year.
Deb Tauber:I think that's really exciting. This is the first I've heard about the Ascend program, but it seems like it was recently launched last week, and then there'll be more visibility around it at IMSH in January 25.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:That is true. So we have a very rapid both application process and review process. So at the IMSH 2025, we will announce the inaugural cohort of participants or individuals to be part of the Ascend program.
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Deb Tauber:And Dr Issenberg, how would one become if someone's interested? How would they demonstrate their interest and what is the process? And how many people will you be able to accept?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Great questions there is and what was promoted last week and disseminated last week as an application process. So there's a link to submit and there's a small series of questions about kind of outlining one's current responsibilities and roles, what their aspirations are, and so the goal the first year to be anywhere from six to 10 individuals as kind of a pilot program, and we hope to expand that in future years. But we want to make sure this first year that we work out all of the operational components of the program. But to your specific question, we're looking to identify from six to 10 individuals.
Deb Tauber:Excellent. Thank you so much.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:I guess the other key area that supports the pillar of organizational sustainment and growth is the successful launch last year of the SSH Fund and this year being able SympVenture awards, increasing the number of Beverly Anderson scholarships that allow our international colleagues to be able to attend the IMSH, as well as the CHAT-EPS lecture endowment. And then some funds are being saved to help develop and grow a more permanent endowment that we think that over time we'll be able to even provide even stronger support for these and new initiatives that come on board.
Deb Tauber:Dr Issenberg, how would one, if one wanted to apply for funding? What would they? What would the steps be around them?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Great question. On the website for the SSH FON there is an area where people can look for in any of those areas in research, simventure Awards, Beverly Anderson Scholarships, and so for the research grants it would be contacting the research committee and because they're the ones who review the applications for consideration and then make the recommendations ultimately to the board. Similarly, the SimVenture Awards is overseen by the Technology Committee and the Beverly Anderson Scholarships is overseen by both our Internal and External Relations Committee, and so, while the board, working with the leaders of the SSH fund, provide more of an overall management or stewardship of the fund, the specific programs that are identified are at the level of our committees.
Deb Tauber:That's a lot of things that have happened in the last year for SSH, and what role do you see SSH playing in shaping the future of healthcare globally?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Society of Simulation in Europe is both the creation and publication dissemination of a consensus statement on simulation-based practice that had input and contributions from nearly 60 simulation societies throughout the world, in over 50 countries, and really it was an opportunity to one outline the current state of simulation healthcare, identifying the need to overcome global healthcare challenges and the role of simulation as a tool, being mindful of the ethical considerations related to the safe and equitable and diverse use of simulation, and then coming up with a series of recommendations for simulation best practice.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:And then finally and this is related to our advocacy pillar really a call for action for policymakers, healthcare organization leaders, as well as health education institution and simulations.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:And so this publication has very unique in this occasion that has been published by all of the four leading healthcare simulation journals, and we feel that, in addition to creating a common blueprint across the global healthcare simulation community, it provides resources and tools and talking points for those who are engaged in healthcare simulation every day, to involve and reach out to those who have a role in the delivery of healthcare but may not be involved in simulation on a daily basis schools and provosts, includes healthcare leaders for large healthcare systems, policymakers and those in charge of providing funding so that we have a common ground and can speak with a more unified voice, not only to those within the healthcare simulation community but more broadly, because we feel if we don't have a stronger relationship to those who are ultimately responsible for delivering healthcare, then simulation will not be able to be realized to its maximum, to have the impact that we feel it can have and it has had in small instances. But there's a long way to go.
Deb Tauber:Thank, you, thank you. Now can you share additional examples, like particularly the impactful projects? Something about the CISA work?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Oh sure, so the CISA, which stands for the Commission for International Simulation and Accreditation, was a project that was really created out of the SSH's Accreditation Council, and it started with a research project a few years ago where the goal was to, of those many centers that have already been accredited, determine their perceived and actual return on investment for being an accredited program. The project did identify in many instances where those centers that were accredited realized a benefit. It may have been expansion of simulation across their enterprise, additional funding, increasing in scholarship, increased recognition and increased use of healthcare simulation. But one of the areas or big gaps that was identified that only 15% of the currently accredited programs among all of them were international, and so the council did a deeper dive and they identified several areas that limited or were barriers for these international centers from even considering applying for accreditation. And they included language barriers, because all of the materials were in English. The cost in terms of the application process itself, as well as supporting reviewers to come on site and we all know it's expensive to travel, even domestically, even more so when it's international. And then different cultural considerations. Admittedly, many of the accreditation guidelines are very US or North American centric, and we understood from the very beginning, there were certain cultural identities throughout the world and nuances that we had to better appreciate before we could just say set of guidelines, go ahead and implement them in your local institution.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:And so out of that was born this idea of coming up with a commission for international simulation accreditation, one to meet the growing demand but also to help address these different barriers that were identified. And so the goal is to partner with affiliate global healthcare simulation organizations and to enhance their accreditation efforts in their geographic region. And so the partnership identifies and makes an affiliate, what we're calling an inter-accrediting organization. As part of this agreement, these organizations are provided with the training materials and guidelines in their language to accredit jointly with their organization and with SSH, to be officially recognized with SSH accreditation. The first partnership that was assigned a few months ago was with the Society for Simulation in Mexico, and currently their leaders are going through a training process with the Accreditation Council so that they have a cadre of reviewers who can begin in early 2025. We begin reviewing the first series of simulation centers in Mexico who will be considered for accreditation.
Deb Tauber:Yes, it's very exciting work and I know I serve on the council and a lot of work went into that process and we are looking forward to seeing what comes of it. And we are looking forward to seeing what comes of it.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:I think it will go a long way. I think also it's something that just takes time in some of the other regions. We take for granted that the healthcare simulation within North America and in many places in Europe has reached a stage of maturity, but it took 30 or 40 years to get there and we have to understand that some of these things just take an evolution, a natural evolution of time and growth. But nonetheless, many of our global affiliates are very excited with this new program and this new opportunity and I think, for many reasons, being able to have the first partner, the inaugural partner, with our neighbors in Mexico in again their native language of Spanish, will go a long way to demonstrate what the potential and what we hope to be the impact of this new program.
Deb Tauber:Right, Thank you very much. Now what about virtual reality? Is telehealth and virtual reality become more integrated into medical training? How do you think these technologies are going to influence healthcare and simulation in the future?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Great topics. I think they're repeatedly when I'm asked to discuss what are the new innovations coming about? Telehealth, virtual reality, extended reality more broadly and, of course, ai, which could be a whole other podcast, but specifically with telehealth and virtual reality, I think there's many, many areas that they promise to enhance healthcare simulation and even expand what was previously capable. Telehealth is able to connect, on the healthcare delivery side, patients and healthcare providers more directly, and, while it was certainly used leading up to 2020, the pandemic demonstrated, based out of necessity, the role that telehealth can have in breaking down geographic and physical barriers to link those who have a need with experts. And so I think telehealth already and will continue to increase access to medical care, particularly in rural and underserved areas, and we've demonstrated, both globally and even within North America and the United States, increasing disparities in the level of healthcare between people who live in rural areas and those who live in more urban areas. That's even now. There's data demonstrating significant differences in life expectancy and morbidity for certain conditions and, with that, the connections created by telehealth to help reduce those disparities. But telehealth can also be used the technology for what we call tele or remote simulation, where some areas that need to have training but don't have access to the larger simulation centers. Using telehealth technology, those experts who are at some of the larger centers can connect with those in more remote or rural areas to deliver either scientific expertise or operational expertise or technical expertise, so that there really isn't a significant divide in the access for these resources in those in less resourced regions.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:In one example, at the University of Miami, which is in a large urban city, we use telehealth so that our faculty, who are 10 miles away in a clinic, have to observe or need to observe a student, either in an OSCE or in a simulation scenario, and while 10 miles doesn't seem that far in South Florida traffic, it could be an hour and a half. And so we're using the telehealth capability and the infrastructure to be able to give access to our faculty and instructors to have remote observations of simulation, and I think we're going to be seeing more with that. And then the virtual reality the nature of it being a digital-based delivery of healthcare settings opens up the possibility of providing more training and more experiences. Past three decades that learners have demonstrated their preference for learning, experiential learning and hands-on learning, engaging in realistic hands-on scenarios that approximate what they're going to see and experience in real clinical settings.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:But there are certain limitations we all understand. In addition to the cost of physical equipment, it's the cost and time of human resources to be able to operate those simulation centers. Most of them aren't open 24-7. And so, really, if we want to scale healthcare simulation more broadly to train hundreds of learners around the clock, I think virtual reality and its derivatives, or it's the complementary technology of virtual reality, such as augmented reality and mixed reality, will enable the scalability and the affordability of healthcare simulation in a much more dramatic way.
Deb Tauber:Yes, I very much agree. I feel like the virtual reality and the telehealth during the pandemic have just really opened up that field so exponentially quickly and people are just. It's just. You can watch it every day change and improve.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:I would like to add on to the last part related to virtual reality. Like to add on to the last part related to virtual reality. Many people want to engage in it but they're not really sure how to go about doing that. And virtual reality, augmented reality and mixed reality they're a little bit different than the traditional types of technologies that have so far been used in healthcare simulation, and what I mean by that is when the task trainers and mannequins were being developed 20 and 30 years ago. That technology was led for the most part by those in healthcare or biomedical engineers who work with those in healthcare for a very specific healthcare focus and purpose.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Most of the technology involved in virtual reality and the other forms related to virtual reality were not developed within healthcare. They're developed in many cases in the gaming industry or entertainment industry, and so what we're struggling now is to how to best use that technology for the purpose of meeting the outcomes or goals that we have in healthcare education. And one of the other projects exciting collaborative projects that I'm going to be involved in between now and leading up to mid-November is working with our partners at Society for Assimilation in Europe and CSAM. They are convening an Utstein Summit. It's being supported by the Laredal Foundation. The goal of the summit is to convene through 30 healthcare simulation experts from around the world with the goal of developing a paper and guidelines on the best use of extended reality for healthcare simulation, and to come up with a three to four year research plan so that those in healthcare simulation have a little bit more focused guidance on the use of these new technologies and also opportunities for research and scholarship.
Deb Tauber:That's very exciting news. I'm sure that there's going to be a lot of thought leaders together coming up with some real applications for how to use virtual reality and some guidance around the field, because I feel like it's kind of like the Wild West out there with virtual reality right now. Everyone's using it in a different way, so it sounds like you guys, leaders, are taking some action to move things more towards a shared mental model of virtual reality.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:And we think there'll be. The nature of the technology itself lends itself more to collaborative, multi-center projects, the fact that you can connect through this technology and physical boundaries really now are less of a limitation. We think there'll be many new exciting opportunities just within the research collaborative space or even within training collaborations on a level that just couldn't be possible with more physical type.
Deb Tauber:Yeah, we interviewed somebody from the VA, where they're using virtual reality with their patients, and the patients are loving it.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:It's just, you know, really exciting to see where it's going and to see its applications to help people patients engaging with this type of technology, anything we can do to empower them and to engage them, for them to be, for patients to be more part of their own healthcare delivery. I think that's really an untapped area of how we leverage healthcare simulation, specifically VR, in teaching and empowering the patient population. I think once we're able to do that, we're going to see dramatic changes in the outcomes of patients.
Deb Tauber:Yes, I agree. I agree, I'm going to jump back a little bit. And what do you think about the current state of accreditation and certification for the Society for Simulation and Healthcare?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Well, to get to that question, I think in terms of accreditation, first of centers within the program, the Society, it continues to expand. In this last round of application I had close to 60 applications for centers, both for new accreditation and in renewals. Accreditation and renewals and I think, as simulation is becoming more broadly adopted across the healthcare landscape and being applied more broadly to other health professions beyond nursing and medicine, those leaders at these institutions and health systems are asking more deliberate questions in terms of how these simulation centers are going to demonstrate a greater return on investment in a shorter period of time. They've already bought in or agree that simulation can make a difference. They're going to make an investment in using simulation. They want that investment to have a return quickly. And I think simulation centers who go through an accreditation process, who are able to apply the best practices from the very beginning and to be able to demonstrate that in a way, not just to the Society for Simulation Healthcare for accreditation purposes, but more importantly as a tool for their own accreditation related to the accreditation professions or in reporting to leaders, I think they're able to demonstrate a greater value proposition to those in leadership positions than perhaps centers who aren't engaged in that process, because the benchmarks that you must be able to demonstrate and report are those that are more closely aligned with the strategic and operational benchmarks of the large institutions.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Industry matures and is increasingly being adopted.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:The expectation from leaders, both in higher education and in the healthcare delivery systems, are almost going to expect some level of accreditation of a center, because they understand that that is associated with a certain level of best practices and, to my earlier point, a greater return on investment.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:That's on the accreditation side. I think there's also a greater appreciation, and those who have been in the field for a long time have known this. We may not have communicated to those who needed to hear it, but I think there's a recognition. If you're going to invest in these centers, which are a tremendous investment in terms of the space and the facilities, the equipment, you need both talented and trained people to be able to run and operate those. And so I think, without having a history of degrees within simulation bachelor's degrees, associate art degrees or master's degrees I think the certification process enables, in a short period of time, to upskill individuals who have talents in many areas, enable to learn about a simulation, learn about the taxonomy, learn about best practices and be able to apply their skills in operations, in finance, in marketing, in education, in communication, leverage all those and focus it in a healthcare simulation context, and I think that's what the certification programs add.
Deb Tauber:Yes, people have a shared mental model and it makes it easier when you have individuals that have been certified to work towards accreditation. There's many standards that need to be met during the application process. As you mentioned, almost 60, nearly 60 applications in 2024 that will be hopefully recognized in 2025 as accredited programs. I don't remember how many of them are reaccreditations and how many are new, but it will be interesting to see in the future, if we have over 250 centers that are currently accredited, how quickly the number will rise exponentially.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Right. We know there are far more that are not. And I think it goes back to the point about.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:One of my goals this year was really focusing on that pillar of organizational sustainment and growth, because we may have the society, may have aspirations of having several hundred accredited centers and several thousand individuals certified, but what is the organizational capacity to be able to meet that demand?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:And I think, because the Society for Simulation Healthcare has grown fast, as all of the societies have, as healthcare simulation has become more widely adapted, we need to change the way we operate, because many of the resources and tools that the society has in place now were developed 10 years ago when our society was a fraction of the size. Our society was a fraction of the size, and so some of the efforts this past year has been investment in improving the infrastructure and capacity of the Society for Simulation Healthcare. And I think one of the other exciting well, for me it's exciting developments this year will be the launch of a new learning management system, new website and a new administrative management system that will really transform our member user experience, as well as the efficiency and effectiveness of the SSH leadership and staff to deliver resources and programs for its membership.
Deb Tauber:When will the new website be revealed? When will the new website be revealed?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:The goal is, I think, there'll be a sneak preview at the upcoming IMSH. We're waiting for that meeting to conclude because so much of the activities between now and then are dedicated to create a wonderful experience for everyone attending that. But the goal is going to be in early 2025 will be the launch of the new website and system following the IMSH.
Deb Tauber:Very exciting news. Now I'm going to follow up with. What should our listeners be looking forward to at IMSH 2025? What are you looking forward to?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:I'm not looking forward to that. It'll be the official end of my tenure, although it's been an amazing year and the incoming president, jared Kutson, is already so engaged in so many of these different projects that we're going to be able to do the transfer of our positions without a hitch. But I guess two big changes and not changes, but new features of the IMSA 2025, which will be the 25th anniversary of the annual meeting. The first is a pre-conference forum. It's called Healthcare Simulation 2050, building a Better Future Together. A forum. It's going to take place immediately before the IMSH, two days before, and the goal of the form is to explore and chart the extensive impact the simulationists will have on the future of health professions, education, and so what we're doing is it's going to be open to everyone. If you go to the IMSH site, people can sign up. But what we're doing is we're reaching out and we're inviting representatives from leading healthcare professional societies and organizations to work together collaboratively to come up with a vision of how they feel that simulation can best be used in each of the different professional domains. It'll be during the forum. There'll be facilitators who will lead small breakout sessions with different representatives and leaders from these different organizations. There'll be ample opportunities to network over the two days, a couple evening functions, and we feel that this really takes advantage of the role of society for simulation healthcare as being an organization in this meeting, an opportunity of bringing in people from different professions, different fields, different expertise to be able to come together and create a common vision and a common action plan of how we might chart healthcare simulation over the next 25 years. And that's available and people have the opportunity of attending the forum because we understand that many people, if they're not in healthcare simulation every day, they may be a leader of a healthcare organization or a professional society. They have the opportunity of attending only the forum because we know they're super busy.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:The other two events are related to the main stage events that occur on the two afternoons of the IMSH. The two main days and these are one is something that I know that you're well familiar with. It's going to be a large screening of the documentary the Pitch, and I know the director, mike Eisenberg, was a recent participant of your podcast and it was a wonderful podcast describing his own personal experience and his background related to his previous documentary to To Err is Human, a patient safety documentary and now the pitch, which is really going to be to discuss the evolving role of technology in improving patient safety across medicine. So this will be a large forum for people to view the documentary and then afterwards there'll be an extended question and answer session with a full panel that we're very happy to include the film director and editor, mike Eisenberg, as part of that session and finally, absolutely we're very, very excited about that.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:And then the other main stage event will be on looking at artificial intelligence and its role of working with healthcare simulation and quality improvement across health systems. We think this is going to be a very fascinating session, led by Dr Teague at the University of Florida, who runs their Artificial Intelligence Institute. He'll discuss the impact of artificial intelligence on simulation and quality improvement and how they work together in what we are calling learning health systems. So how can health systems begin to adapt, use data in real time to better affect patient outcomes and the quality of healthcare? His presentation will be followed by a fireside chat with other leaders within the simulation, including past president Mary Patterson. And so we think, both because of the topic of artificial intelligence, but even more so, how it can be used and leveraged to improve the way healthcare simulation can have an impact on the delivery of healthcare. We're very excited about that session as well.
Deb Tauber:Yes, that does sound like a very interesting session. Now, in closing, are there anything that you'd like our listeners to know or to think about, or to keep in mind?
Dr. Barry Issenberg:I would just say that I first want to thank you again for this opportunity to be part of this podcast.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:I'm sure that we could talk about many other topics and give examples.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:I always enjoy these opportunities and appreciate what you have done and your contribution to the healthcare simulation community and being an advocate and being a vehicle to disseminate and bring people together to be able to share their stories.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:I think for everyone out there, it's a very exciting time in healthcare simulation. There's always going to be something new developed, because the challenges are enormous, the opportunity to improve healthcare is enormous, but I think, working together, what I've always, when I describe simulation to those outside of the field, is that simulation, healthcare simulation is a unique place that brings together those who are interested in education and training, those who are interested in developing new innovations and technology and those whose goal is to deliver the best healthcare possible, and we sit right at the nexus of that. And so I think, as we move forward, think about not only impacting those people with whom you work every day within the healthcare simulation space, but reaching out and sharing the message with those who aren't yet aware of the power of healthcare simulation and how can it make a difference, both in education and training and developing new technologies, but, most importantly, of how it can be used and leveraged to deliver better, more effective and safer healthcare.
Deb Tauber:Thank you and I look forward to seeing you at IMSH. We really appreciate your time and your commitment to the society your commitment to the society.
Dr. Barry Issenberg:Thank you so much, Deb. I feel that it's been both a privilege and blessing to carry out this role, and just want to thank everyone for everything they do every day, because it is making an impact and together we are saving lives.
Deb Tauber:Thank you and happy simulating. Thank you and happy simulating.
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